23 Wakati wanjira mu tempile, ŵalara ŵa ŵasembe na ŵalara ŵa ŵanthu ŵakiza kwa iyo apo wakasambizganga, ndipo ŵakati: “Kasi ukuchita vinthu ivi na mazaza wuli? Ndipo ni njani wakakupa mazaza agha?”+ 24 Yesu wakaŵazgora kuti: “Nane nimufumbaninge chinthu chimoza. Para mwaniphalira, nane nimuphaliraninge mazaza agho nkhuchitira vinthu ivi: 25 Kasi ubatizo wa Yohane ukafuma nkhu? Ukafuma kuchanya panji ku ŵanthu?” Kweni ŵakamba kudumbirana pakati pawo, ŵakati: “Usange titenge, ‘Ukafuma kuchanya,’ iyo watifumbenge kuti, ‘Ipo mukalekerachi kumugomezga?’+ 26 Kweni usange titenge, ‘Ukafuma ku ŵanthu,’ tikopa mzinda, chifukwa wose ŵakuwona Yohane kuŵa ntchimi.” 27 Ntheura, ŵakamuzgora Yesu kuti: “Tikumanya chara.” Nayo wakati kwa iwo: “Mbwenu nane nimuphaliraninge chara mazaza agho nkhuchitira vinthu ivi.

20 Zuŵa linyake, apo Yesu wakasambizganga ŵanthu mu tempile na kupharazga makani ghawemi, ŵalara ŵa ŵasembe na ŵalembi pamoza na ŵalara ŵakiza, 2 ndipo ŵakati kwa iyo: “Utiphalire, kasi ukuchita vinthu ivi na mazaza wuli? Ndipo ni njani wakakupa mazaza agha?”+ 3 Wakaŵazgora kuti: “Nane nimufumbaninge fumbo, ndipo munizgore: 4 Kasi ubatizo wa Yohane ukafuma kuchanya panji ku ŵanthu?” 5 Ntheura ŵakadumbirana pakati pawo, ŵakati: “Usange titenge, ‘Ukafuma kuchanya,’ iyo watenge, ‘Ipo mukalekerachi kumugomezga?’ 6 Kweni usange titenge, ‘Ukafuma ku ŵanthu,’ ŵanthu wose ŵatiswenge na malibwe, chifukwa ŵakukhorwa kuti Yohane wakaŵa ntchimi.”+ 7 Ntheura ŵakamuzgora kuti ŵakamanyanga yayi uko ukafuma. 8 Yesu wakati kwa iwo: “Mbwenu nane nimuphaliraninge chara mazaza agho nkhuchitira vinthu ivi.”